Monday, November 12, 2007

I hope they speak Norwegian in Hell !

One of the most recurring arguments against people who distance themselves from religion is that religion is the guiding post for living a peaceful and righteous life. A light house of morality.

Without the moral compass of religion, society will fall into chaos and immorality. Also that it will give a proper fostering ground for totalitarian regimes that will abuse the people and will enact genocide on the population, and more often than not the examples sited to back that argument is that of Stalin's USSR, Mao's china, and to a lesser extent Hitler's Germany (not that the country was anything but religious, although his personal religious belief do draw some question marks)

Now that is all fine and dandy, and ignoring the separation between a dogma and state systems since they view them as one and the same from a religious point of view. The biggest elephant they overlook is that atheism unlike religions for instance has no set and predefined dogmatic rules its essentially the lack of those that makes it what it is so you can't draw a 1-1 relationship based on that label to throw a blanket statement to encompass all what is atheistic.

so the argument is Mao, Stalin, & Hitler were evil and atheists so atheism is evil

Lets look at a country of heathens and disbelievers who boast a population of about 26% to 71% of atheists depending on your definition of the word. Where regular church service's attendance is about 10%. this is a place where the church has been reduced to a place were you hold some cycle of life(read birth, death, & marriage) events and has little to no relevance in the day to day life of people in the classical sense.

According to that argument you would expect such a country to have a rampant crime rate, since if there is no divine punishment there is no inhibitor for people's evil deeds. essentially we would expect it to be what we call a hell on earth *wink* *wink*

So what do we have here then, Norway (in case you missed what we have been talking about) is
The most peaceful nation on earth(the economist global peace index) ! with the top honors in a quality of life that is environmentally friendly and one of the best places to raise a family in terms of quality of living for women and children. It's also a given that they have exceptional press freedoms and rights movements. Also it just happens that due to this environment they have the second highest GDP per capita in the world. So at this point someone might jump and mention that Norway is an evangelical lutheran country with 83% of the population affiliated to the church of Norway but the reason behind that is simple. registration to the church is done at birth so the statistics are not representational of personal belief.

In no case is that an anomaly, there is a high correlation between how secular a country is to how high it ranks on these indexes that measure the quality of living. You notice that the more a country tries to adopt a religious inline political & economic legislations the further it drops in that scale (take the United states in the past 6 years and compare its rankings) . Nordic countries, Canada, New Zealand, Slovenia and other similar countries always rank consistently high on those indexes.

That just goes on to prove that slogans like "fill in the blank religion is the solution" or "without religion you can't have a moral and prosperous society" are bunked.
Or the alternative you can hope that Norwegian will be the official language of hell, and the prince of darkness is brushing up on his Norwegian.


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  • I loved your post!

    ... Just my two cents: I think the percentage of atheists in America is higher than anyone realizes, but it's tough to say because atheists tend to keep their opinions about religion to themselves.

    Also, the Czech Republic boasts a very high percentage of atheists and it's a lovely country.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 13/11/07 18:58  

  • OMG I better start learning Norwegian.

    Good post :D.

    By Blogger 7aki Fadi, At 13/11/07 20:16  


    It's interesting how chastity, high morals and principles in the Arab world are almost always synonymous with being blindly immersed in religion. While of course, these very religious people offer us plenty of examples of the very opposite!

    What religion has brought to the region is mainly hypocrisy. People preach one thing but do not act accordingly. Once religion in the region becomes purely a personal choice, that's when you know that the region could actually progress. We waste our time with hating those who aren't religious, and with meddling into other people's affairs, when we do not even mind our very backyard. That needs to change.

    By Anonymous Made in Jordan, At 14/11/07 02:03  

  • anon yeah athiests in america are higher but the reason they keep that to themselves is because of the unwelcoming atmosphere in the majority of america towards that.
    yes czech is a lovely country, actually most eastern european countries fit hat bill, i just happened to pick slovenia

    By Blogger No_Angel, At 14/11/07 11:11  

  • 7aki yes yes, am betting on japanese for now. but i'll start working on norwegian too :) glad you like it (puzzles are making a come back )

    M.I.J. true and we all know how they view secularism. Religion has been one of the main chess pieces played by people to get what they want and mobilize the sheeple in one direction or the other in this region.

    By Blogger No_Angel, At 14/11/07 11:28  

  • where's my puzzle Bambam? I am very bored, not a lot of work to do today

    By Blogger 7aki Fadi, At 15/11/07 22:57  

  • not gonna be able to make up one on the spot... but can try those they will keep u busy :)
    first puzzle
    second one

    By Blogger No_Angel, At 16/11/07 02:49  

  • and you say you are no angel, you are an Angel :D .
    Thaaaaaaaaaaanks, this looks like fun :)

    By Blogger 7aki Fadi, At 16/11/07 17:43  

  • OMG so I put the tornado before the clouds came out so there is no water adn the mountain turned volcanic ..

    Seriously, THIS IS COOL

    By Blogger 7aki Fadi, At 16/11/07 17:47  

  • what is that black box? Not the cube on top, the other one?

    By Blogger 7aki Fadi, At 16/11/07 17:49  

  • oh oh it's a tv ... never mind..


    seriously, this is really cool..

    lol, ok I will stop harassing you now, I will tell you if I get the sequence right :D

    By Blogger 7aki Fadi, At 16/11/07 17:55  

  • I DID IT I DID IT I DID IT (the monster one if you were wondering)

    Ok off to the Island one now

    By Blogger 7aki Fadi, At 16/11/07 18:41  

  • hehe you are a nahfeh ! shouldn't you be studiously working like a good ant ....
    bad ant 7aki :P
    that aside yup yup, those puzzles are cool glad they did the job

    By Anonymous bambam, At 16/11/07 20:03  

  • bala ant bala bateekh, it's Friday, and I finished all my work yesterday but I am pretending to work ... shhhh don't tell anyone ... Man the Island one is SOOOOO HARD... not that I was doing it all this time, I mean I had to work .. i mean had to go eat.. now I have 2 people at work having a go at it ... LOL.. not only am I a bad ant, I am a bad influence ant.

    By Blogger 7aki Fadi, At 16/11/07 21:23  

  • gatalteeni here, even my mom was asking me what the hell am i laughing about and i went blank since it would be too long of a story and i couldn't be arsed explaining it :P
    *poke* *poke* u noticed on the other one (the flying planet) that there are 7 or so other similar puzzles ...
    might come in handy on some other day

    By Blogger No_Angel, At 16/11/07 22:41  

  • There are ???? I didn't notice. YOU ARE EVIL for telling me there are 7 more, I think I am gonna get fired if I don't solve them all this weekend , hehehehehe.

    PS: Bob thinks the Island is a trick puzzle meaning there is no solution.
    PPS: William is stumped, and I thought he was MENSA material, oh the shame, he is gonna solve it over the weekend
    PPPS: I haven’t solved it yet :S. I feel stupid lol, how long did it take you to solve it? Am I stupid?
    PPPPS: Ballah say hi to auntie and next time she asks you why are you laughing, tell her nothing, it's just 7aki Fadi, HAHAHAHAH :D

    By Blogger 7aki Fadi, At 17/11/07 04:03  

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